Posted by dludler on October 8, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"She also said the county is now investigating 17 cases of the virus, but not all are linked to the restaurant."

Since when is E. coli a virus?

Posted by larimercyclist on October 8, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Last week I posted a comment indicating that E. coli should not be spelled E. COLI. So they got that part correct.
Slow learners...journalism majors.
Ha

Posted by onanotherplain on October 8, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bad sandwiches - sick customer or not - the place is not very good

Posted by NukesInBoulder on October 8, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, E coli is a virus. Great job Daily Camera, I sure hope the CU Journalism school puts articles like this on the projector to demonstrate how not to write articles.

Posted by boulderlvr on October 8, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they should change their name to "Jimmy's John."

Posted by wiseone on October 8, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BOULDER, CO
October 30, 2008
...has opened at 1125 13th Street in the space formerly occupied by Jimmy Johns...

Posted by chucklehead on October 8, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JJ's is a case study in how to run your business. Extremely fast, cheap and yummy. This is unfortunate.

Posted by musicgrinder on October 8, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This kind of thing happens in Boulder.

Posted by PCR on October 8, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I ate there last week and I got sick. Didn't know this was the source.

Posted by HopscotchWillie on October 8, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why the hell would anyone eat at JJ when you could eat a REAL SANDWICH at Deli Zone, or Half Fast? Heck, it's probably your parents money anyway. Might was well eat somewhere good.

Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Yes, E coli is a virus."

E. coli is not a virus. E. coli is a bacterium. Great work, journalism critics.

Posted by lidarman on October 9, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, I thought hepatitis was what you got from peeps not washing after going to the bathroom. Didn't know E. Coli originated from the same behavior?

Posted by dd_unlimited on October 9, 2008 at 12:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another impromptu edit to ignore their ignorance. E. Coli is no longer a virus. Good job, DC.

Posted by bigdundooley on October 9, 2008 at 3 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think their sandwiches were good. Its too bad some dirt bag working there had to have poop on their hands.

Posted by FrictionSoul on October 9, 2008 at 5:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bigdundooley
The source could just as easily, and more likely, have been the meat. If you've ever seen how a factory slaughterhouse functions, the poop flies, literally.

Posted by vkberlinn on October 9, 2008 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Illegal aliens.

They just don't know

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 9, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All the "restaurants" on the Hill have had health related problems. Just check the County Health Dept website: you don't need to eat at Half-Fast Subs to get sick - reading the inspectors report will be enough.

Posted by elirenfro on October 9, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where will people get sandwhiches on the hill now?

Posted by jimcarr65 on October 9, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing like a little Mr. Hankey on your turkey sub

Posted by getcraziesout on October 9, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

they probably don't change the mayo frequently enough- many sub shops don't! EWWWWWWW

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 8:46 a.m.

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Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Getcraz, e coli isnt found in Mayonnaise

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 9, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're taking a risk if you eat on "the Hill."

Posted by tplboulder on October 9, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

antiboulderite, you are a true idiot. The racist part simply augments you stellar personality!

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

its not racist, its just a fact. How is it Racist when I havent said anything derogatory regarding another race? Its a fact!

Posted by joeschuele on October 9, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Darn it. I wonder if there's a vending machine or convenience store coolernearby where I can get a sandwich of equal or better quality. Jimmy Johns has to be the worst sandwich chain in town. It makes Subway seem tasty by comparison.

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 9:31 a.m.

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Posted by Flang on October 9, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm having trouble following the logic.

There were some E. coli cases a MONTH ago.

They're not sure Jimmy John's was the source.

But they shut Jimmy John's down a few DAYS ago as a "precaution."

Posted by windpower on October 9, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I did some research and was very surprised to see the number of restaurants in Boulder County which have received the worst rate of "unacceptable"
Go here: http://www.decadeonline.com/main.phtm...

Posted by rhinolips on October 9, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Jack in the Crack outbreak was caused at the slaughterhouse, not from franchise employees. Read Fast Food Nation (much better than the movie). In n Out is the only acceptable fast food restaurant to eat at, too bad they don't franchise but that's probably why they are tops.

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ok rhinolips.. who works at slaughterhouses??

Posted by rlopesino on October 9, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

windpower: I was shocked too, I think I'm not eating out ever again! ;)

As to VKberlin and antiboulderite: can you please hold the racism at least for this post...

A couple of things to mention:
boulder county jail has a rating of excellent, most restaurants on Pearl have a rating of unacceptable!

Many of these place(mtn sun, jimmy johns) have white college kids and not Mexican's preparing the food.

Posted by rlopesino on October 9, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

antiboulderite:

you are never more than 200ft from a Mexican, will you be able to handle this?
Any other race you have issue with? do you eat at Chinese restaurants?

where did you get your KKK hoody?

Posted by rlopesino on October 9, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

who works at slaughterhouses??

apparently antiboulderite Somali's also work at slaughter houses, and I heard even a white American here and there...

And I have to ask... given your name on this post,do you live in Boulder County?

Posted by rhinolips on October 9, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Your logic is flawed, it's the process and not the person. Poopy hands are poopy hands no matter your skin color.

Posted by RoseFromTheDead on October 9, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

antiboulderite, *everyone* has E. coli in their gut.

Your statements not only highlight your racism, but your ignorance of basic biology as well.

Most strains of E. coli are not only harmless to humans, but necessary to our digestive processes.

If BCPH is able to track down the strain and source of the E. coli responsible for these illnesses, then I predict it will be found to be from meat (most likely beef) that was not processed, stored, handled, or cooked properly.

Posted by cgerber on October 9, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for posting that link, windpower.

It's an eye-opener for sure!

Posted by WhosYourDaddy on October 9, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Half Fast Subs, for example, has 13 critical violations and is rated UNACCEPTABLE to eat at.

They should be required to post their inspection report in their window when they receive that kind of disgusting rating!

Posted by RoseFromTheDead on October 9, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The source of slaughter house contamination of meat by E. coli is from the gut of the slaughtered animal, not from human handling. And with ground beef, even a small bit of contamination (ie: poo) can be spread throughout the meat from many animals.

This is why it's generally safe to eat a rare cooked steak, but risky to eat ground beef that's not well done.

Most of the contamination can be easily removed from the surface of a steak with a quick rinse and the remaining bacteria are killed by cooking. But with ground beef the contamination is on every bit of the meat and cannot be easily rinsed off therefore requiring cooking all the way through to kill the bacteria.

Yes, when you eat a burger you are most likely eating cow poo.

Posted by Bing987 on October 9, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, so let's see how the authorities handle this. There are eight confirmed cases of the bacteria and the department refuses to name the sorority.

But when they only suspect a restaurant they have no problem naming names.

Nice.

Posted by cuStudent on October 9, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ive been working at jimmy johns for over 2 years. I currently do delivery only, but when i started i made sandwiches for a few months, so i know this place inside and out, and i have to say that we are by far the cleanest restaurant on the hill PERIOD. We follow strict health guidelines, did you know that anyone making food on the hill is supposed to be wearing gloves ? As far as i know we are one of the only places that follows this rule. Also part of the training we get ingrained into us is that you wash your hands all the time. After you touch money, even before you put on gloves. Not to mention the fact that we are constantly cleaning and disinfecting everything from the tables to the bathrooms. Now let me respond to some of the comments ive seen above.

"Why the hell would anyone eat at JJ when you could eat a REAL SANDWICH at Deli Zone, or Half Fast? Heck, it's probably your parents money anyway. Might was well eat somewhere good."

-are you serious, half fast and deli zone are disgusting, they have major consistency problems, not to mention how unsanitary those places are. Also they seriously skimp on ingredients.

"they probably don't change the mayo frequently enough- many sub shops don't! EWWWWWWW"

-Wrong, next time you go into the store look at how we have the mayo set up, we have a scooper that we keep in cold water and the mayo in another tub, we replace the scooper and the tub with cold water every few hours, and we make enough sandwiches so the mayo also gets changed every few hours.

"im having trouble following the logic.

There were some E. coli cases a MONTH ago.

They're not sure Jimmy John's was the source.

But they shut Jimmy John's down a few DAYS ago as a "precaution."

- Agreed, this is ridiculous, i want to know how they narrowed the list down to just JJs, im sure that the sorority girls got interviewed and not all of them could have eaten only at jimmy johns, maybe its a coincidence that a majority of them ate at JJ's, but im sure they ate at some other places.

Also the BCPH people that ive dealt with dont really seem to know what there doing, its almost like someone is breathing down their neck to figure out the source, and they just pounced on the first place that they could.

My managers/owners have worked really hard to build up their reputation, and i know for a fact that they run a very tight ship, in terms of consistency quality and cleanliness. I think they are being unfairly targeted, and im sure that the result of their investigation will be negative, or worst case, the result of something out of their hands like bad meat or tomatoes.

this reminds me of the investigation into that frat (forget the name) that rufied some girls, and the tests initially came back positive, resulting in all of the frat members getting disbanded and having nowhere to live, and then the tests came back negative, exonerating them to late to have any effect.

btw: the sorority is AKO

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rhinolips, you cant pass ecoli to someone unless its in your system. Some people carry it dormant.

If someone without ecoli in their system has poopy hands, its not going to infect anything.

Posted by antiboulderite on October 9, 2008 at 1:10 p.m.

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Posted by RoseFromTheDead on October 9, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

antiboulderite, there's nothing "dormant" about the E. coli in your gut.

Maybe McDumbya could give you a couple of pointers on how to use "the google".

Clearly you're one of those dragging down the city's average.

Posted by RaIphie2 on October 9, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Really, if you think about it, the Fundementals of our economy are strong. We have just gotten greedy. All the creative financing and unethical business dealings are to blame.

Posted by PCR on October 9, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm still holding by my statement that I got a mild case of food poisoning from this place. I would suspect something further up the supply chain, though, and not necessarily the restaurant.

Posted by justmyopinion on October 9, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

antiboulderite-- "cyclist in gay spandexed". What the f, you have to bash gays now in your rave?? Have you even thought about WHY cyclists might wear spandex? Have you even thought about WHY there are so many cyclists in Boulder and WHy this might be a good thing? According to your rant, it's bad to drive an SUV but also bad to be a cyclist. Or is that just cyclists who don't dress like you want them to? Talk about morons: when I read this forum I really understand how a freakshow like Sarah Palin has popularity. Before you espouse your incredible intolerance, look at yourself--are you such a bargain??

Posted by boulderlover on October 9, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Antiboulderite - you should consider moving to some place you like.

Sorry to hear about this. i love Jimmy Johns. And I will still eat there.

S**T happens

Posted by getcraziesout on October 9, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kidding about the mayo... didn't mean to get yall in a tizzy. everyone-take a deep breath. You aren't

Posted by dludler on October 9, 2008 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know it seems ridiculous that the BCPH is just now closing a restaurant, when the sickness began a couple of weeks ago. Please read this from the CDC about timeline for reporting of cases:

http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/reportingtim...

As you can see, it can take weeks to identify the source of contamination. All we can do for now is make sure we use good hygiene practices, cook meat thoroughly, and wash all fruits/veggies. Oh, and if you're pooping blood, please see a doctor ASAP.

Posted by boulder321 on October 9, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i LOVE jimmy johns.. please reopen it

Posted by cuStudent on October 10, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good News ! Jimmy Johns is open for business. Although, the only employees allowed to work must be cleared of the E COLI virus, which means that their test must have come back negative. All the employees were tested on wed or thurs.

Posted by BRM on October 10, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SUBS SO FREAKY, YOU'LL FAST!! ©

Posted by happytobeinboulder on October 11, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To everybody reading the comments of WhosYourDaddy, please let it be known that his comments regarding Half Fast Subs are blatant lies.
This is an individual who many years ago decided he did not like our advertising and began writing letters to the city insisting they yank our liquor license.
He was also a vocal and extremist member of UNHA, the group responsible for the now dismal vacancy situation on The Hill.
His comments regarding the Health Department ratings are OUTRIGHT LIES, but since he can veil himself in anonymity, he can lie through his teeth in this format.
As the owner of Half Fast Subs, I invite anyone concerned about his comments to please call or visit us so that we may allay any concerns you might have as a result of his comments.
The problem with this format is that it allows respondents to spew any kind of vitriol out into a public forum with absolutely no regard for what may or may not be true.
WhosYourDaddy has not once over the years had the courtesy, decency, or backbone to even once attempt to contact Half Fast Subs.
Instead, he prefers the safety of his moronic moniker to propel his agenda of disregard for the truth.
Please consider the source when you read his comments.

Posted by RoseFromTheDead on October 12, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ummm... happytobeinboulder, here's what Boulder County Health has to say about your establishment:

(one out of 5 stars)
"Unacceptable rating: At the time of inspection the establishment could have more than five serious critical violations associated with cooling, reheating, cooking, refrigeration and hot holding equipment, cross contamination between raw animal foods and ready to eat foods, employee hygiene and other items with risk index values of 20 and/or could have one or more secondary critical violations with risk index values of 5-15, as well as some non-critical violations. If an imminent public health hazard is present, immediate corrective action and/or closure of the establishment will be required. The risk index range is 100 and above."

http://www.decadeonline.com/insp.phtm...

That inspection was on 1-15-08. It's true the issues were corrected before follow up inspections, but it does make me wonder what your sanitation would be like without the threat of further inspections hanging over your head.

The fact you were foolish enough to post your tirade without first checking the facts also makes me question your fitness as a business man.

For what it's worth, I have no real issues with Half Fast Subs. I went there once in the summer of 2004 and found the service to be unacceptably slow, and the product to be substandard so I have never gone back. Clearly, that's just my opinion, but you were the one who opened yourself up to criticism with your apparently unwarranted attack on WhosYourDaddy.