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Share and Enjoy Worthy Cause amendment
Issue 1B for continued support
I have been disheartened to see the arguments presented by a few individuals who oppose County Ballot Issue 1B, the Worthy Cause amendment. They suggest that there is no role for government in supporting nonprofit agencies' needs for facility construction and renovation and that private donations should be adequate to meet all these needs.
These arguments are unrealistic and cynical. Nonprofits already must spend a great deal of time and effort to raise funds they need to simply carry out their missions of helping those in need in our community.
Private donations are critically important, but they cannot provide all the support needed to keep our community safety net in place.
Boulder County is fortunate to have a strong partnership between the county and the nonprofits that provide such vital services. More than 30 nonprofits have been assisted in their facility projects by revenues from prior Worthy Cause Initiatives passed by voters in 2000 and 2003.
Now we have the opportunity to extend that assistance for another 10 years. County Ballot Issue 1B does not propose a new tax. It continues one-half of 1 percent sales tax now in effect. This amounts to one cent on every $20 purchase that is subject to sales tax. Of course, nonprofit agencies support this initiative! I serve on the boards of the YWCA Serving Boulder County (working on women and children's issues) and the Special Transit which provides needed transportation to people with disabilities and seniors. Without this help, we will find it increasingly difficult to expand our facilities to meet the needs of a population that is growing, aging, trying to cope with economic difficulties.
I urge you to vote YES ON 1B, a truly worthy cause.
AYA MARIAGNES MEDRUD
Boulder
McCain
A rubber stamp of the extreme right
Why do I support Barack Obama? A quote in Sinclair Lewis' 1935 novel haunts me: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!"
Sen. McCain and I spent over five years in captivity, he in the "Hanoi Hilton," I in the Lodz ghetto, Auschwitz and Dachau concentration camps. Nevertheless suffering doesn't qualify anyone for the presidency. The next president must be intelligent, diplomatic, stable, and articulate; these qualities greatly describe Sen. Obama while only slightly McCain.
McCain has longer experience than Obama. In 2000 he rejected most of President Bush's misguided approaches to our problems, including Bush's push to repeal Roe v. Wade. Until 2008 McCain voted for 90 percent of Bush policies but now fawns on the extreme religious right. Thus his longer experience is almost completely wrong.
Obama cares for all Americans, the energy crisis, a reasonable disengagement from Iraq and could even repair Bush's disastrous economy.
McCain in a Beliefnet interview stated his preference for a Christian president: "I prefer someone who I know has a solid grounding in my faith" since "the Constitution established the United States as a Christian nation." Such ignorance of the U.S. Constitution alone disqualifies him from U.S. presidency!
WALTER PLYWASKI
Boulder
Amendment 48
A distasteful wedge issue
Amendment 48 seeks to change the legal definition of personhood in the state constitution. A person, according to the amendment, is defined as a fertilized egg. This amendment is incredibly problematic both for its unaddressed ramifications and its employment as a "wedge issue."
The "Personhood Amendment" essentially works to eliminate a woman's right to an abortion, but it's ambiguous verbiage has far more extensive impacts. Birth control such as oral contraceptives, the patch, and IUDs work by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the wall of the uterus. The primary means of contraception in the United States is the pill: 11.6 million women of reproductive age take oral contraceptives. Are these millions of women killing people on a daily basis? Are they murderers? Are you?? These questions may sound ridiculous, but a moment of reflection upon the last eight years of executive leadership in this nation should dispel such flip dismissals. This is a serious issue, with incredible reverberations that reach into the most personal aspects of women's (and men's) lives.
Beyond a severe lack of forethought, Amendment 48 is distasteful for what it represents strategically. We all know the upcoming election is an important and historic one for many reasons. Colorado is a "purple state"-- a battleground state in the upcoming presidential election. Many of our ballot initiatives are designed to mute that shade of purple and turn out voters who may be ambivalent about the race for president yet have strong notions about "moral" issues.
As intelligent and insightful voters, I encourage you to be aware of such mechanisms and their likelihood of success in particular areas of the state. Please vote -- and vote no against amendment 48 -- to ensure that our democratic processes are not trifled with at the same time that our beliefs and ideologies are used as wedges to drive us into opposing camps.
VIRGINIA SANPRIE
Boulder
Early voting
Locations should be open on Sunday too
The quadrennial American tradition has come upon us quickly. Mail-in ballots have just arrived for many Boulderites, and in just two weeks, early voting will begin, starting Oct. 20 and ending Oct. 31.
Unfortunately, it seems that while early voting locations will be open on Saturday the 25th of October, they are closed on Sunday. Now this may be a reasonable schedule to keep during odd-year and mid-term elections, but one need only look back to the February caucuses to see that this is not your ordinary election. The statewide caucuses had over eight times the average caucus turnout -- 120,000 people came out to caucus on that cold evening on the 5th of February, while in 2004, just 15,000 people did so.
To deny that the early voting locations should be open on that Sunday is to deny reality. Colorado has made great strides in constructing an electoral process as accessible as possible and it is in this spirit that we should consider the Sunday closures: We should all be (lower-case) democrats and favor as many opportunities to cast ballots as possible.
SCOTT HEISER
Boulder
Posted by cawrigh on October 8, 2008 at 5:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Some people have freely chosen not to donate as much money as some other people would like to some nonprofit organizations. Apparently these nonprofits have been unable to persuade these people of their worthiness. The Worthy Cause amendment uses the sledgehammer of government power to trump individual free choice and compels donations to politically favored nonprofits. If we had truth in labeling, this amendment would be called the Unworthy Cause amendment. Vote No on 1B.
Chuck Wright
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
Posted by vkberlinn on October 8, 2008 at 6:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
CA you are correct. If the non profits cannot convince people to donate to "their worthy cause" they should not be allowed to force it out of us.
Vote no on 1b. Contribute when and what you can.
Posted by vkberlinn on October 8, 2008 at 6:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WALTER PLYWASKI
Thank you for your concerns.
Vote RINO
Posted by JG on October 8, 2008 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why don't we just start voting in June?
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
AYA MARIAGNES MEDRUD:
Sorry, too many hidden agendas in your letter. Sounds suspiciously like: "My non-profit sucks and is running out of money. I want to keep my job, ergo my non-profit is more important than yours and should be funded by the government"
Not convincing.
Posted by dmz on October 8, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. Plywaski,
You are a wise and well read man.
Thank you for supporting America, her Constitution, and Obama/Biden '08.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Obama cares for all Americans....."
....that make less than $200K a year.
Posted by Elwood on October 8, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
With only 3 county comissioners to decide who gets the money, the county is not represented fairly. Vote no on 1B. In fact vote no on all county issues, they have too much money already and are wasting it on open space all around the county. Pretty soon the taxes will have to be raised to provide all the services (since the county will not tax itself on property it owns) property taxes are used for.
Posted by phoenix_rises on October 8, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
AYA MARIAGNES MEDRUD, what I learned from your letter is that my gnerder free tax dollars are taken from me and given to some non-profits with a gender specific agenda. Why? 1B should support only those groups without such an agenda.
Vote no on 1B.
Posted by thefishheadsoup on October 8, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
IXLR - closing the disparity between the haves and have nots in this country benefits those making more than 200k a year, maybe even more so. the shrinking of the middles class in america and the continued polarization of wealth is a set up for rabid revolution and the destruction of our country.
i have long held that we have a very tarnished one party system, and that "change" is a slogan, but listening to folks support McCain - watching McCain and Palin - is farsical. if it weren't so damn scary, it might be funny.
praise jesus.
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I will probably vote against 1B for all the stated reasons. Then I'm going to right out and send a nickle to each of the nonprofit organizations on the list. It's only fair.
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IX, I'm going to have to set you up with my accountant. As I'm sure you know, there are ways to set up your small business so that the profit doesn't wash through your 1040 and get subject to personal taxes. This even works in Texas.
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Have your accountant remind IXL that it's $250K a year, not $200K a year. No wonder IXL's broken hearted...
Posted by ken0519 on October 8, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You should google "AYA MARIAGNES MEDRUD" and see what you find...
It will be interesting.
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes .... and IXL, Berlin, and their ilk aren't fit to wash her socks.
And Mike ... hope you never need one of the services provided by these nonprofits.
Posted by Elwood on October 8, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MikeEllis,
I like your idea with the nickels. I think I will do the same.
Posted by Greatgarloo on October 8, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WALTER PLYWASKI-"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
...and when Marxism comes, it will be wrapped in a handsome, articulate black man, who seduces the gullible masses with indifinicable arrogance, platitudes, and agenda-hiding popularism. Obama is a far-leftist hack.
Sorry dude, Upton Sinclair's turn-of-the-century book (The Jungle-I've read it, too) is so outdated, it ain't funny. Or relevant.
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And neither are you, loo .... relevant.
GO! handsome, articulate (you forgot clean) black man!!!!!!
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IX, I'm going to have to set you up with my accountant. As I'm sure you know, there are ways to set up your small business so that the profit doesn't wash through your 1040 and get subject to personal taxes. This even works in Texas.
Unless you want to cheat (not that any of us would cheat Obama's tax hikes...wink wink) you can't escape it. Partnerships, LLC's, and S-corps are all pass through entities, so you pay taxes on whatever you make. The only other choice is a "C" corp, where you can leave money in the business as retained earnings and pay yourself less, but that equity builds over time and will be taxed when you pull it out through either dividends (Obama plans to raise those taxes too), Bonuses, or whatever. C corps also have that pesky little double tax problem. Plus, if you leave too much in retained earnings, you could get hit with the Accumulated Earnings Tax. If you leave money in to bolster the balance sheet and sell, you will pay his higher capital gains tax. You can't hide.
Nope, the only way to avoid being hit by Obama's plan is either stop making money, or move with me to Texas where we can secede together...who's in?
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Have your accountant remind IXL that it's $250K a year, not $200K a year. No wonder IXL's broken hearted..."
I get to respond to Mike and Flav in the same day. My two favorite lefties up here (really). You two have the standing invite to the weekly BBQ.
Anyway Flav, you must not have paid very good attention last night. I was referring to those he 'cares about' enough to cut taxes on. That bar is $200K. You might want to rewind the debate, but if you don't have time, here is his quote from the transcript on CNN:
"If you make $200,000 a year or less, your taxes will go down."
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes .... and IXL, Berlin, and their ilk aren't fit to wash her socks."
But you, lafayette, are fit to wash mine; I'll bring them over right after my ride.
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No need ... I'll do them at the BBQ ... in the beer Flav will be bringing.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Flav prefers wine. Good reds.
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
".....and when Marxism comes"
Lie, here. lie now.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"IXLR - closing the disparity between the haves and have nots in this country benefits those making more than 200k a year, maybe even more so."
Depends on the cost. Ronald Reagan did more to help the middle class than any modern day President, and did it by lowering taxes on everyone; and in the process created over 20 million jobs.
The myth of the shrinking middle class is a straw man used to promote socialism with wild claims of an impending revolution. It also makes it sound a tad less selfish to justify taking other people's money to support your own agenda.
Further, you can't subsidize the have nots and turn them into haves. They need to be offered opportunities and incentive to improve themselves. Handouts don't work. Giving people who don't pay taxes already $1,000 a year is a handout, nothing more.
If "free money" taken from Peter to pay Paul is your idea to close the gap, then no...it won't work.
Posted by ken0519 on October 8, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
".....and when Marxism comes"
Lie, here. lie now."
You always use that line when someone pins one of your comments like the trash it is.
Get a new line..... Maybe "Lie, here. lie now, lie down and get ready to take it from Obama"?
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXL: "I was referring to those he 'cares about' enough to cut taxes on. That bar is $200K."
$250K
"Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase." http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
Three Girls Merlot is nice.
Posted by phoenix_rises on October 8, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"secede together"
Palin and her friends re ready to secede with you. ;-)
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
'"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."'
'This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
'Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")'
-- http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/...
Texas has a way to go to catch up...
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Been on this planet long?
You bozos wouldn't know Marxism if it bit you on your red baboon posteriors. You appear to live in caves, isolated from both current events and history. George Bush (Republican) just nationalized the finance sector of the economy. Hello in there?
No matter what happens, you just parrot the same old phrases.
Why bother? What are you doing with computers?
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IX, you have to decide if the income is corporate or personal income. Suppose you set up a C-Corp. Pay yourself $190K and invest the rest in the company. Your taxes never go up unless and until you pay yourself more than $250K in a year. At that point, you can't claim that Obama is raising taxes on small businesses. He is raising personal taxes on well-paid management of small businesses.
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
'"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."'
Good one.
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hmm, if the beer's gonna have sweat socks in it, maybe I'll just bring my own. I'll make sure it's a nice liberal beer, like Hazed & Confused, not some knuckle-dragging brand like Curs Lite.
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is Curs' Lite one of those dog-oriented beers?
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's good for having a hair of the dog that bit you...
Posted by mcbuffs on October 8, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WALTER PLYWASKI-"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."
Posted by Greatgarloo at 1:57 pm:
"...and when Marxism comes, it will be wrapped in a handsome, articulate black man, who seduces the gullible masses with indifinicable arrogance, platitudes, and agenda-hiding popularism. Obama is a far-leftist hack."
So, loo, are you saying that we will choose either a fascist or a Marxist for our next president? Unless you think a 3rd party candidate has a chance, I don't think so. I'm going out on a limb and guarantee that Obama is NOT a Marxist.
I'll go further out on a limb and bet anybody any amount you want, that I can prove that he is not a Marxist. Any takers? Didn't think so.
(Note: To place the bet, we will have to reveal our identities to each other)
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Flaven: A quote from a CBS online article.
"For all the talk about Barack and Michelle Obama's patriotism, John McCain's running mate was a member of a political party that liked the idea of seceding from the United States altogether. It's the kind of idea that would have been more common in the 1850s.
Advocating secession is, practically by definition, un-American. How does the right go after Obama's patriotism while supporting a ticket with a candidate who joined a secessionist party?
We are, after all, talking about a party founded by a man who said, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." The same man, AIP founder Joe Vogler, also said, "[T]he fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government."
How is this any better than Jeremiah Wright? Why would Sarah Palin voluntarily join this man's political party?
Complicating matters, Marc Ambinder has a video of a AIP leader explaining that party members "must 'infiltrate' -- his words -- the other two parties and push for the cause of Alaskan independence."
I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?"
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Put a bit of lipstick on Vogler and he'll go away?
Posted by zar13 on October 8, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Hazed & Confused"
that's what you have become from drinking one to many Hazed & Infused. Just kidding, it is a good beer though and it comes from a damn cool town.
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Hazed & Confused"
Deliberate (reverse) play on words?
or
Freudian slip?
You decide.
Posted by dmz on October 8, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great?garloo...
By your logic the Bible is REALLY irrelevant as well as "outdated".
God wouldn't like that y'know.
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Flav: they even have a Yahoo Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alaskan...
good readin' ....
(p.s. I prefer a good, mellow pinot noir)
(p.p.s. how's the Flaven for President campaign going?)
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by flaven on October 8, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXL: "I was referring to those he 'cares about' enough to cut taxes on. That bar is $200K."
$250K
-Below $200K are the only ones who get a cut though...unless he misspoke.
Try a Chris Kingland Ebenezer Shiraz, 2006. Great discovery.
Posted by zar13 on October 8, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
aaaw jeez! i spose i'm just to simple for all you clever fellas. schucks Mike! well, i reckon i'll keep pluggin away anyway. :)
Posted by mcbuffs on October 8, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I suspect McCain and his aides didn't know about any of this. Indeed, they couldn't have -- they didn't vet her. But now that this revelation has come to light, what's the defense?"
Their defense is: Obama is a Muslim Marxist!!
And there are brain washed people here in our country who blindly follow this maniacal path of reasoning because it reinforces their ideology, not because it makes sense.
As Sinclair Lewis (not Upton Sinclair) said in his 1935 novel, IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!"
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"IX, you have to decide if the income is corporate or personal income. Suppose you set up a C-Corp. Pay yourself $190K and invest the rest in the company. "
You pay tax on the corporate income though. And if you own 100% of the shares, you carry 100% of the burden. He gets you either way. Reinvesting doesn't always help, most reinvestment has to be depreciated, so even though you spent the money, you only get a little bit of each year on your books. The rest goes into retained earnings, which the IRS watches like a hawk if you are a little C corp and its obvious you are trying to avoid taxes.
I may be a knuckle dragger, but I have set up quite a few companies. LLC's are by far more flexible, cheaper, and not subject to double taxation. For a small business that makes $250K now to have to jump through all the hoops of going C corp to avoid Obama's taxes is a big fat bummer.
Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXL: please tell me which businesses you own so that I may avoid them.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by lafayetteeast on October 8, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXL: please tell me which businesses you own so that I may avoid them."
That is very uncool. All I do is post my opinions up here, and you want to keep food out of the mouths of my servants because you disagree with me?
And here I bought a case of foo-foo beer for you for the BBQ.
;-)
Posted by IXLR82 on October 8, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"And there are brain washed people here in our country who blindly follow this maniacal path of reasoning because it reinforces their ideology, not because it makes sense."
Those words mean so much after seeing the throngs of crying, glassy-eyed, revival types at the DNC who looked like Obama could have told them to slit thier wrists and they would fallen over each other trying to find razor blades.
Posted by taoistblockhead on October 8, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXLR82 - Sounds like one of those Old Time Fascist Gospel Hour meetings up in Wasilla, Alaska. Pass the wine and praise the Lord...! Talk about your crying, glassy-eyed, revival types. The only problem with this analogy is that for the past 2,000 years the Fundamentalist Christians have played the victim-perpetrator card on indigenous pagans. Guess who got the sharp end of the razor blade in most of those deals? Hint... It wasn't the Fundamentalists. And again I say, Praise their Jesus!
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Those words mean so much after seeing the throngs of crying, glassy-eyed, revival types at the DNC who looked like Obama could have told them to slit thier wrists and they would fallen over each other trying to find razor blades."
Keep flogging the same tired crap. You've got about two so-called points, both irrelevant. Now do the one about Obama saying "uh" too often.
Meanwhile, McCampaign is looking sad.
Posted by foreign_correspondent on October 8, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IXLR82,
You're wasting your time. This forum has become an Idiot's Paradise.
taoistblockhead (he/she is a blockhead), umtanum, flaven, LE, mcbuffs, thefishheadsoup , frozen_ fishhead, billy_goats_turds and all the rest may not be knuckle draggers, but they are knuckle heads. They specialize in opinions fueled by emotion and ideology quite independent from intelligence and rational thought. Recognize that they are "the throngs of crying, glassy-eyed, revival types at the DNC who looked like Obama could have told them to slit their wrists and they would fallen over each other trying to find razor blades."
Understand that it isn't Obama they are "for", it's Republicans they are against. In fact, they don't stand "for" anything, they only stand against things. (It's much harder to take a position "for" something than to tear another thing down.) They are dour negative people who live small lives immersed in negativity and pessimism. Take comfort that your life isn't as miserable as theirs. Turn to the Comics pages. You won't laugh as much, but at least you'll appreciate that the authors are trying to make you laugh.
Posted by walongloop on October 8, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
> Turn to the Comics pages
Yes, and do it before Obama get elected -- afterwards you might not be able to afford a newspaper.
Posted by zar13 on October 8, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Understand that it isn't Obama they are "for", it's Republicans they are against. In fact, they don't stand "for" anything, they only stand against things. (It's much harder to take a position "for" something than to tear another thing down.)"
that is strong. nice. well said.
Posted by walongloop on October 8, 2008 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WALTER PLYWASKI - "Why do I support Barack Obama? A quote in Sinclair Lewis' 1935 novel haunts me: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!""
Yes, that certainly seems to be true in this case:
OBAMA ROLLS OUT FAITH-BASED MERCHANDISE
"Dear friends,
Great news! We now have faith merchandise available for you to show your support for Barack Obama as a person of faith."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09...
Posted by MikeEllis on October 8, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"taoistblockhead (he/she is a blockhead), umtanum, flaven, LE, mcbuffs, thefishheadsoup , frozen_ fishhead, billy_goats_turds and all the rest may not be knuckle draggers, but they are knuckle heads."
I'm so hurt that I'm not on this list.
I'm a knuckle head and I'm ok. I hate America all night and I worship Mao all day.
Posted by walongloop on October 8, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
VIRGINIA SANPRIE -- While your appeal attempts to sound reasonable, it still pseudosophistic because it requires one to ignore a key fundamental fact: in terms of scientific biology, the "fertilized egg" is no less a living human being than you or I or anyone reading this.
Do you really want to live in a society that can deprive an innocent, living human being of his/her right to live, for any arbitrary reason whatsoever including legalistic convenience?
Facts are facts, even when inconvenient. And no amount of denial can change that.
Posted by mtrail on October 8, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
walongloop, don't confuse the masses with facts, it only makes them mad.
Posted by redneck on October 8, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Meanwhile, McCampaign is looking sad."
But it looks like McCain will finally bend to the pressure from his supporters to bring up the Obama character issue.
Per Dick Morris, a former advisor to Bill Clinton:
"So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “G*d d*mn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth."
We don't need anyone with those connections running our government.
Posted by taoistblockhead on October 8, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For starters I'll stand for the American Republic (as opposed to Empire) and a Sustainable Culture (as opposed to mass consumerism and blind greed). If that's an Idiot's Paradise then count me in.
Any other questions?
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
" We don't need anyone with those connections running our government. "
The lying liars just keep lying.
It won't do you any good, this time.
" it's Republicans they are against"
Exactly right:
--> The party of Bush is being tossed out on its collective ear.<--
The more bitter you weasels become, the better. But don't use it all up before the election, you've got four long years ahead.
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 8, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, my friends, the arrogant, smarmy, moralizing, lying, and ultimately incompetent weasel neocons and their groupies are belatedly getting the old heave-ho, the bum's rush.
That second term let them dig a really big hole.
The more negative the Odd Couple get, the more it fires up the weasel Repug base, but they were going to vote Repug anyway.
And the more it turns off the undecided voters.
Posted by redneck on October 8, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"The more bitter you weasels become, the better"
You leftist nimblenuts can't possibly believe the only connection between Obama and Ayers is that they live in the same neighborhood. NO, Obama has had long term associations with very bad people.
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 8, 2008 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great. Keep lying. It only takes a few clicks to find out just how little substance there is to this crap.
It will only play to the Repug orcs and hillbillies in places that don't yet have electricity.
Posted by redneck on October 9, 2008 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Unfortunately, your few clicks always leads you only places like the commondreams website.
I was watching Anderson Cooper tonight and he had on Dr. Mary Frances Berry, hardly a right-winged idealogue, who thinks it legitimate for Obama to address the Ayers issue.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 9, 2008 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Talk about your crying, glassy-eyed, revival types. The only problem with this analogy is that for the past 2,000 years the Fundamentalist Christians have played the victim-perpetrator card on indigenous pagans."
Cue 'Twilight Zone' theme
Posted by IXLR82 on October 9, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Keep flogging the same tired crap. You've got about two so-called points, both irrelevant"
which is one more than your ubiquitous:
Lie here, lie now.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 9, 2008 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FC: "umtanum, flaven, LE, mcbuffs, thefishheadsoup , frozen_ fishhead, billy_goats_turds and all the rest may not be knuckle draggers, but they are knuckle heads"
I come here purely for the humor. I will say, that generally Flaven, Mike, sometimes even LE and Umtater don't seem to take themselves too seriously, have a sense of humor from time to time, and make the place more fun. You can sort oftell who has a life and who doesn't.
BGG and Frozen_pathetic are angry, humorless, and sad. If Obama wins, they will still post nothing but spite, they have nothing else to live for. These are two guys sitting on phone books so they can reach the keyboard who hate the world. The Web gives them the ability to hurl all the insults they had to keep inside when they were kids to keep from getting beat up even more than they did.
They even bring it to work, where both drive customers crazy when they rant on and on when the customer just wanted to buy a Slurpee with his tank of gas.
I know BGG and Fish, lie here, lie low, Repbuglican, dimwits, blah, blah, blah. We could all pretty much write your responses for you...
Posted by walongloop on October 9, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
> "So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago
> connections. His chief financial supporter
> was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal
> prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor
> was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “G*d d*mn
> America” fame. And the guy who got him his
> only administrative job and put him in
> charge of doling out $50 million is William
> Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama
> bin Laden in his youth."
The facts are of no interest to idealogues. They will fiddle while Rome burns.
"Progressive Thinkers" are anything but.
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 9, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain has, as his chances fade, turned into the same lying Repug we know only too well from the recent election cycles, helped by a cadre of volunteer troglodytes like IX and loopy.
It is not helping.
Lie here, lie now.
Sorry. That should be, "lie, baby, lie."
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 9, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ayers and Wright Aren't Exactly "Breaking News": The Politico's Ben Smith first reported on Ayers last February; the country spent all of April talking about Wright. In other words, every "association" that Palin and McCain are intending to highlight before Nov. 4 has already been highlighted. Reporters are treating this as a story about McCain's newly negative tactics--not as an opportunity to reheat material they first served up last spring. That's bad news for McCain. Sure, some voters are unsettled by the fact that Obama once worked on an education project with a unrepentant (if rehabilitated) '60s radical and spent decades listening to sermons by a man who adheres to Black Liberation Theology--and they're not voting for Obama, at least in part, because of it. But given that the Illinois senator went on to win the Democratic nomination and build a sizable lead in state and national surveys after the Ayers and Wright stories first broke, it appears as if many swing voters--not conservatives, but swing voters--have largely decided that they're comfortable with Obama's past. Absent any new revelations, it's hard to imagine that rehashed information will change their views--except, perhaps, on the sort of campaign McCain is running.
--Andrew Romano, in Newsweek
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 9, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"In this context, [ the financial crisis ] the McCain-Palin campaign's attempt to get Americans to focus on Obama's Chicago associations seem surreal -- or, as a British politician once said about criticism he was receiving, 'like being savaged by a dead sheep.'"
--George Will
Posted by flaven on October 9, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
pinkneck: "We don't need anyone with those connections running our government."
'"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."
'This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
'Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")'
-- http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/...
We don't need anyone with those connections running our government.
Posted by IXLR82 on October 9, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Lie here, lie now.
Sorry. That should be, "lie, baby, lie.""
QED. It's like shooting (frozen) fish in a barrel.
Posted by frozen_mackerel on October 9, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There's just no pleasing some people.
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