Posted by travveller on July 22, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been noticing the same problem at the creek by the library and at the labyrinth in back.

I've been harrassed at the labyrinth, and won't walk it anymore without someone with me.

Tonight, while cooling off on the Canyon side of the creek, I watched an apparently drunk vagrant harrass two women until they felt the need to gather up their children and leave in a hurry.

Certainly everyone has the right to enjoy these public spaces, but can't they allow the rest of us to enjoy it in peace?

Posted by wilson on July 23, 2008 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no sympathy for the homeless. I had two guests visit me over the last few days, and it was embarrassing to take them to the Pearl Street Mall. I can't tell you how many times some dirty stinking hippie asked them for money. Most of them have chosen this lifestyle. They sit on the Pearl Street Mall and beg for money. Then they use that money to buy alcohol. If nobody gave them money, we wouldn't have this problem. Oh, and the loser holding a sign saying "stranded, no money?" Well, you had better plan your trip better next time, dirtball. Next time you are thinking about giving a homeless person money, just remember your dollar is a vote. If you give money to one of these scumbags, you are voting that you want vagrants on the Pearl Street Mall, next to the Outdoor Cinema or wherever else they are loitering. If you are going to buy them anything, buy them a cheap sleeping bag and hope that they roll into Boulder Creek while they are sleeping at night, and float all the way to the Gulf of Mexico, never to be seen in Boulder again. Oh and lastly, thanks to all the idiots who were behind our state-of-the-art homeless shelter. Word has gotten out that Boulder has one of the nicest homeless shelters in the country. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why all these drags on society have decided to move to our town.

Posted by gatut on July 23, 2008 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great post wilson, do you think that something will be done when people stop going to Pearl Street because of the harassment?

Try walking down Pearl Street with a doggie bag, our trips to the Mall have decreased because of the problem.

Posted by blacksho89 on July 23, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I object to the use of the terms "Vagrant" and "Transient". These are pejorative terms that are offensive to our homeless brothers and sisters. Likewise, describing a nomadic man as "drunk" is defamatory. Many of these men and women suffer from the disease of chemical dependency, and while they may be chemically non-typical, "drunk" implies a potential for anti-social behavior that is simply classist. If we are going to be using these people's parks and creeks, we need to realize that it is WE who need to change our societal mores and expectations.
This mean-spirited attitude must change. The homeless have as much right to talk loudly in the park as do you and I; and as much right to solicit income in whatever way possible as any other resident.

Posted by kl53c on July 23, 2008 at 6:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go back to charging the $5 .

Posted by johnredcorn on July 23, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again, 2% of the homeless population ruins it for the other 98%.

Posted by thedustytomato on July 23, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vagrant – vagabond (beggar, homeless person, drifter, tramp, hobo), nomadic (itinerant, wandering, roaming, roving)
Transient – transitory, fleeting, passing, brief, temporary, short lived

Both of these terms perfectly describe your “homeless brothers and sisters”. They mean the same thing – no fixed address. I believe these people are welcomed, but that means they should conform to our community’s mores and expectations of decent behavior during their stay. If they are incapable of doing so due to a “chemical dependency”, by the way, I do not consider this a disease, but a life choice, they should leave. Having a chemical dependency does not give one the right to act a fool and impose their anti-social behaviors and often obnoxious life style on our community.

Posted by seemore on July 23, 2008 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Once again, 2% of the homeless population ruins it for the other 98%"

Exactly you never see the other 98% of people down and out they are just trying to lay low and survive it is the load scumbags the harass people that you see and hear about and then everyone stereotypes homeless people as the annoying 2%.

Posted by jtmt2 on July 23, 2008 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We went to the outdoor cinema once about 5 years ago with our young child. That was the last time.

Posted by justmyopinion on July 23, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHY not keep charging the $5??? Why make it a donation when they are just "scraping by"?

Outdoor Cinema says that the fee also helped keep the riff-raff out.
“Before, there was an easy way to keep them out,” Totays said.

Posted by monkeys on July 23, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"chemically non-typical"! I love it! Thanks, blacksho.

Posted by jsaturn on July 23, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Our homeless bro's and sis's??" Soylent Green, I say. 'Cept, I wouldn't eat one (a "processed" bro or sis, that is), even with a generous helping of BBQ sauce... Taser the lot of them, and close down our opulent homeless "digs" in North Boulder. The site is similar to a fly attractant, which is just the effect we are seeing. Great way to spend taxpayer dollars, as usual.

Posted by the_daily_tracks_what_you_read on July 23, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

eventually downtown boulder will revert back to a lot of empty buildings and pearl street businesses will end at the army/navy store...just like 15 years ago.

Posted by johnbarleycorn on July 23, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by kl53c on July 23, 2008 at 6:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go back to charging the $5 .
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Exactly! What am I missing here? There must be a reason they stopped the mandatory fee. Is there some kind of tax break if it's just a donation rather than a fee?

Put a fence up, charge admission and problem is solved. The transients will spend their $5 on cheap hootch instead.

Posted by noboresident on July 23, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh, I'm not sure but I think the $5 probably has something to do with licensing issues with the studios that make the films.

Posted by susan_g on July 23, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Once again, 2% of the homeless population ruins it for the other 98%."

That would be the other 98% that are using your yard or a business' doorway as a bathroom.

Posted by stever23 on July 23, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Blacksho89: I am not sure where to start with your post. It sounds great from a theoretical point of view. Now please join the real-world.

So their only problem is a chemical dependency – a medical problem? Some are helpless. But being drunk gives you no right to be loud or make people feel uncomfortable. I was in hospital with an injury that needed emergency surgery last year. Did that give me the right to yell at the staff & patients and say anything I wanted?

You say they have as much right to talk loudly in the park as anyone else. But talking loudly and being rude to strangers are TWO different things.

A family picnic in Eben Fine park where they are loudly talking to each other is very different than a homeless person walking up to a stranger.

Finally, the story is not about talking in the park. It is about talking during a movie. Do they have a right to do that? You say the same rights as everyone else. Would you agree that during the movie, everyone else expects people to be quiet and focus on the show?

Finally, you say WE are using THEIR parks and ponds? Simply because they have no place else to go, they get priority where they spend the night? With this logic, they could move into your house and call it theirs. As they have no other place to go, and you should do everything you can to make them comfortable. You’d be a guest in their house.

What? You disagree with what I just said? Well, maybe we should get the city council to officially proclaim that homeless people have priority over everyone else when it comes to using the parks.

The reality is society tolerates them staying in public spaces as it realizes they have problems and few other places to go. They should be treating the parks with utmost care. They are the guests there.

Posted by noboresident on July 23, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stever- calm down. Blacksho's post was satire, lampooning what he feels is a position held by many squishy Boulderites.

Posted by stever23 on July 23, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You know, I actually meant to ask Blacksho if that was written tongue-in-cheek, but I got so wrapped up with what I was writing, I forgot to.

I apologize if I was being too serious.

Posted by mwiley on July 23, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why don't they just charge a fee instead of making a donation. That way they can keep those type out.

Posted by michelleinboulder on July 23, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

>do you think that something will be done when people stop going to Pearl Street because of the harassment?

I avoided Pearl for a long time after a particularly bad harassment in the middle of the afternoon. Previously I'd only occasionally avoid it at night.

Unfortunately - since the new parking meters went in - it seems like any drop in business is seen by shop owners as related to that.

Posted by JoeSmith on July 23, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Boulder will see an improvement of the vagrant population once the DNC is over, and Denver allows the homeless back into their cities.

Bus fares to Boulder and "free movie tickets" to hide them from the sensitive Democrats coming to town. (Both admitted practices of the Denver government.)

Posted by crazy4cheese on July 23, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

boulderhippie is strangely quiet on this one.

nursing taser wounds perhaps?

Posted by zone913inc on July 23, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Well, maybe we should get the city council to officially proclaim that homeless people have priority over everyone else when it comes to using the parks."

Great, now this will surely be on the next city council meeting agenda. An agreement must be hammered out stipulating that the homeless must share half the park with the prairie dogs.

Posted by bolderhippie on July 23, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who the hell is boulderhippie?

Posted by bufffan8 on July 23, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

At one time the "shelter challenged" in Boulder was considered quaint and part of the scene on the mall. I think the Rainbows missed a great recruiting opportunity.

Posted by Dick_Tater on July 23, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I run the path 2-3 times a week. I find the bums disgusting in their hygiene and behavior. I've seen them harass people and hang out by the high school. They drag items under the bridges or along the creek creating their make shift homes and leave their garbage behind. This behavior is not acceptable from other citizens, and should not be tolerated from them either.

Posted by blacksho89 on July 23, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dustytomato and stever:
I enjoyed your responses immensely!

BTW: It's not just some Boulderites that are "squishy" about bums.

Posted by wiseone on July 23, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Build it and they will come..."

Posted by stever23 on July 23, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Blacksho:

Me get hot under the collar?

Never!

Posted by ironbutt on July 23, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm concerned about officer Day's inability to affect an arrest without the use of multiple hits with a taser. "Wait, don't go anywhere while I reload!". While reloading he gets up and walks away to be picked up three hours later by other officers?!? Good thing he didn't cause anyone harm in between. Tasers can be a good non-lethal tool but I worry that officers don't feel that they can act without them now.

Posted by albanal on July 23, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Stever- calm down. Blacksho's post was satire, lampooning what he feels is a position held by many squishy Boulderites."

Awwww. Ya went and told 'em. Buzzkill.

Posted by MikeEllis on July 23, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Charging an admission requires paying the City of Boulder an admission tax of 5%, or $0.25 per person out of $5.

I assume it also opens up the group, already barely scraping by, to more liability. ("I was harassed by bums, I want my money back.")

Posted by MikeEllis on July 23, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, I noticed the same thing as ironbutt. The police shoot a man with a taser, he goes down, but then gets up and walks away? Why couldn't they arrest him at the time?

Posted by The_Insinuator on July 23, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahhh, nothing like the sweet smell of class war in the morning.

Posted by 456ded on July 23, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When you build a homeless shelter that has more beds than need, it is no wonder that I often see homeless people taking the bus from Denver to Boulder. While this fact, coupled with the geneoricity of local residents, can not (and should not) be changed, tougher law enforcement to prevent the aggressive and offensive acts that I often witness should be a priority. There should be a zero tolerance policy for disorderly and drunken conduct.

Posted by zone913inc on July 23, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? It is past 10:00am and no one has yet posted the inevitable Boulder homeless/vagrant/whacko mantra of "Although I don't agree with your lifestyle, I respect your right to harass, intimidate and threaten me."

Posted by JoeSmith on July 23, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ironbutt,

I agree.....Boulder has a lot of good officers, and their are times when tasers are used, and maybe overused. But how is it that this guy got away from Officer Day? After being tased?

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on July 23, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1) Better an old-fashioned beatdown from 3 or 4 burly male officers using wooden billy clubs. Or perhaps firing the Taser to the groin area would prove more effective.

2) Reinstate the $5 entrance fee. Anything free will be subject to the bum rush, including complimentary samples of Doc Brinkley's Elixir made from genuine road apples and extract of "toxicodendron radicans".

3) Vigorously enforce the laws against public intoxication, etc. The Boulder County Jail and the Addiction Recovery Center were built to be used -- so fill 'em up with these drunken morons.

4) Community service for the homeless working off fines in Boulder is a joke at present; washing dishes at Carriage House (and stuffing extra food into their backpacks, plus taking breaks to smoke marijuana in the adjacent alley) if they do anything at all. Judges need to hand 'em a broom and make 'em sweep up Pearl Street Mall and the Boulder Creek Path -- sweat some of that rotgut booze and dope out of their systems.

5) Homeless people are their own worst enemies, because the majority will not exert positive peer pressure on the knuckleheads who perpetuate the negative stereotypes. I'd estimate about 20% of homeless people here in Boulder now are knuckleheads, but they are highly visible. (None of them last very long in the program at Boulder Shelter for the Homeless, but it's troubling that they are allowed to recycle through it again and again -- old Doc says one chance and you're done). Prison inmates do have an unwritten code which everyone is expected to live by, and homeless people can do the same. As an example, I can promise you that the Rainbows currently locked up in Boulder County Jail are being treated to daily showers by other inmates.

6) Stop giving cash to panhandlers! Yes, yuppies, some of this is your fault. Why don't y'all exercise peer pressure on other rich Boulderites to stop giving financial support to local liquor stores and dope dealers?

7) Understand that the poor will always be with us -- and it's a very wise man who said that some 2,000 years ago.

Posted by Ardera on July 23, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That "opulent" shelter in North Boulder isn't even open in the summer, which I believe is contributing to the problem. If there were somewhere for the homeless to stay in the summer, there would probably be less of them on the street harassing people. Not saying that it would completely solve the problem, but it would definitely help. I would love to know why they close it for 6 months of the year, when the taxpayers have paid for this building.

Posted by thelastliberal on July 23, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's see:

You give something away for free (the movies) and it attracts people who don't work and want something for free.

It is not ironic. It is pathetic.

Start charging the five bucks again, please.

Posted by betterboulder on July 23, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a few rotten apples that ruin it for the majority of peaceful homeless. Let the BPD handle it, unless of course there's an actual crime, then we'll convene a Grand Jury to dismiss it.

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on July 23, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ardera, only the emergency overnight shelter at BSH is closed from May 1st through September 30th. Morning services including breakfast, showers, free washers and dryers, storage space, etc. are available to everyone all year.

In addition, the transitional living program at BSH is open all year, and this year homeless people on the waiting list for it are being allowed to stay in the emergency dorms.

Old Doc is content to enjoy the peace and quiet sleeping out on the prairie, enjoying fresh air and solitude. Ain't no need for the emergency shelter to be open to everyone coming up from Denver at this time of year, given the mild weather. They would likely be living in the bushes along Boulder Creek by choice, anyway, since one has to be in the shelter by 7PM.

I'll point out again: BSH (or any other homeless shelter) is not a detox center, not a psychiatric facility, and not a jail. Alcoholics and drug addicts, the seriously deranged like the Church Brawler from last April, and career criminals all have other places to go with staff who are trained to deal with their issues.

BTW, 456ded, on the coldest nights during the winter with life-threatening conditions outside, BSH does have to turn some homeless people away. This past winter, Carriage House began to take in that overflow; I've always maintained that local churches should open their doors to the homeless at such times.

Posted by katiekurt on July 23, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like the perfect assignment for our Police Officers - since we are paying them to Serve and Protect. We are always pleased to see them on the Pearl Street Mall - maybe we need more Police presence along the Creek Path.

Posted by fritzj on July 23, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi. I'm the manager of the Boulder Outdoor Cinema. Charging or not charging $5 isn't going to have an affect on drunk and disorderly folks. If someone is drunk as they approach the gate, we don't let them in. If someone is harassing patrons or staff from outside the gate, we call the police. It's as simple as that. The incident that occurred Saturday started early in the evening, well outside the venue as a group of four people wandered past. One woman yelled obscenities in the direction of the venue for no apparent reason, while one man shoved another into me while I was carrying stuff. None of this has anything to do with charging an admission. In previous years, we've had folks heckling loudly outside the perimeter, we've had them sneak in, we've had them scrape money together, pay for entrance and then cause trouble from inside. We've kicked them all out as quickly as we can. There are plenty of homeless who don't cause trouble at our screenings, and so if folks want to sit outside the perimeter quietly and enjoy the movie, I'm all for it. We only care about folks who are drunk, loud and aggressive and in the past, we've attempted to handle the issue ourselves, asking them to leave and so on. Last year, two of us got punched and so now our policy is to call the police without interacting with them if they have started trouble. We don't want our patrons and our staff to be in any kind of danger or discomfort -- it's a movie, for crying out loud, it's supposed to be fun. So yeah, we're going to call the police at the first sign of trouble. Officer Day had a lot on her hands when she rolled up on the scene - she wasn't grappling with just one aggressive person, she was handling four of them and she did the best she could. The end result -- before the feature had started, the folks in question were under control, the crowd was safe and nobody on our staff got hurt. It's an outdoor movie -- the very nature of it is going to attract all kinds of people. We'll keep calling the Boulder Police Department for assistance at the first sign of trouble; they have taken very very good care of us over the years. We may have to call them more this summer, but it won't be because of the donation-based admissions (a change made to increase the number of community members enjoying the film). If we call them more this summer, I've been given to understand it will be due to the cleanup in Denver for the DNC. But I'll call them six times in a night if that means we can continue watching movies outside in the summer air without getting bothered.

Posted by mtbdad on July 23, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Doc_Brinkley... how would your patented Goat Gland Procedure improve this situation?

Posted by DailyGrinder on July 23, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since when do vagrants where "Hawaiian" shirts, as described in the article? All the REAL vagrants I've seen in urban areas are lucky to have a hefty bag strapped to their back with cutout armholes. Sounds like a "Trustafarian" to me.

Let's have some good ole "bum fights" to give 'em something to do, if the vagrants are so bored and find it necessary to harass the citizens.

Posted by mredsreturn on July 23, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard that the homeless shelter will now be serving surf and turf on Friday and Saturday nights for the rest of the summer.

Posted by johnredcorn on July 23, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fritzj - your post and work on hosting this event are much appreciated. I'd do the EXACT same thing if I were in your shoes. Thank you for trying to make Boulder a better place.

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on July 23, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mtbdad, I hesitate to say it, but BPD's Officer Day might be a good candidate for the Brinkley Goat Gland Procedure. She was facing four hostile vagrants? Last pistol I owned held 15 hollowpoint rounds plus one in the chamber. Advantage: Officer Day.

Fritzj, I appreciate your explanation of the admission/donation issue. And you are absolutely correct to let BPD handle this from now on.

Posted by backrange on July 23, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shouldn't the Boulder Tax Police be collecting a tax on these "free" movies, like they do on the "free" coffees over at Vic's?

Posted by Dunkterfunk on July 23, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From what I have seen, most of the vagrants in Boulder are so by choice. They are kids who don't want to work and ask for money for their dog.

I stopped giving money to the homeless long ago when I found myself being asked by the same person day in an day out. Not to mention half of the poeple who beg for money go get into their Jeep Cherokees when they are done for the day.

If you feed a stray dog he will keep coming back. I hate to make that analogy about a human being, but it fits. I just feel most of the people begging for money are not truly homeless or are so by choice.

It is best to just give to charities.

Posted by boulderhippie on July 23, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seriously, I have the most popular name on the daily camera. I appreciate the level of non-creativity that people will go to be like me. I think it's time for me to run for city council.

In terms of this issue, I think it's important during these tender moments for classless idiots like myself to wait for Boulder's elite to tell me when it's OK to comment.

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on July 23, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hippies are a myth in 2008. Only old Doc is for real.

Posted by CameraLogin on July 23, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We should re-visit the idea of vagrancy laws. Kick 'em the hell out of Boulder. Why not send 'em back where they came from. Get a job, support yourself, pay your taxes like the rest of us or get the hell out.

Posted by Doc_Brinkley on July 23, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CameraLogin is right. . . Many of these bums could support themselves by becoming Internet scam artists, oops, I mean entrepreneurs. After making millions of dollars while leaving others holding the empty bag, they might then run for high political office -- maybe even the U.S. Congress!

"Boulder Bum Makes Good" will read the DC headline.

Posted by VCT on July 23, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't even know they still had the Outdoor Cinema!

Posted by THEinORY on July 23, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What?
A hobo is going to ruin your makeout time with your girlfriend? Come on! The guy has no home, give him a turn with your girl, share the wealth.

Posted by cashTracks on July 23, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone know if it's possible to access BPD mugshots online?

Posted by MicMacGirl on July 23, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about that homeless looking guy in a wheel chair that is always at the farmers market on Saturday mornings and if you don't give him something he curses you....I wish they would remove him.

Posted by leroidescons on July 23, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Homeless" does not equal "drunk."
"Transient" does not equal "vagabond."

I would bet that the damage done by non-homeless drunks and drug addicts (date rape, anyone?) eclipses that done by homeless drunks and addicts (of which, of course, there are plenty). I'm not excusing this behavior. I'm just saying. You know. Whatever.

Posted by Kev on July 23, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Boulder Police are reluctant to place an officer at the outdoor theatre because they want the managers to PAY for an off duty officer to work the show all night.

That being said, the managers need to hire an off duty officer to work the entire show (cost should not be the excuse as this provision SHOULD be in place for the permit in the first place).

= CHARGE $1.00-$2.00 FOR SECURITY.

:-)

Posted by harrisonferrel on July 23, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now there's a legitimate use of a taser! Attacking a police officer can't be tolerated. I'd like to see a greater police presence in any regard all along the creek at all times. The vagrants in Boulder are doing whatever they want, but I wouldn't count on them paying any taxes (which, by the way, aren't cheap here).

Posted by respectsnothing on July 23, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That homeless guy in the wheel chair cursed me when I wouldn't drop a quarter in his cup. I just cursed him back and he avoids me now.

Posted by susie_q on July 23, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What would Jesus do?

Posted by billy_goat_gruff on July 23, 2008 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Does anyone know if it's possible to access BPD mugshots online?"

Going to order prints?

Posted by billy_goat_gruff on July 23, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"What would Jesus do?"

When Jesus curses you, you stay cursed.

Posted by marlboroman on July 24, 2008 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who knew the Rainbows were film buffs?

Posted by Darling1 on July 24, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Boulder_Badger wrote: "Where do you want me to go? I was crippled fighting after being drafted during the Vietnam war."

Personally, I want you to get a freaking job and stop harrassing people to give you money that they've earned. You are obviously computer-literate and have a computer, so your "handicap" does not affect your ability to earn your keep in society.

The war was 35 years ago and only lasted about 7, which you were there for maybe 3. I'm all for providing for all medical/psychiatric needs for vets. They've earned it.

But you have NOT earned the right to sit on your azz (no pun intended) and expect the rest of us to support you in full without any effort on your part. Get a freakin' job.