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Letters to the Editor - July 22
Dog encounters
Low number of unpleasant incidents
Jan DeCourtney's letter (July 18) describes her unpleasant encounters with dogs and their guardians. It is frustrating for the vast majority of responsible dog owners when a few people violate the open space rules or are inconsiderate of those who fear or do not like dogs. Dog guardians on open space do not want to encounter aggressive dogs or inconsiderate guardians either, because it changes the experience for them as well. Fortunately, what Ms. DeCourtney describes is not the typical experience of open space users.
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Share and Enjoy Open Space and Mountain Parks recently conducted a study of "problem" dog behavior. The study found a remarkably low number of incidents that involved dogs jumping on people or fighting with each other. There weren't any observations of a dog injuring a person. However, regardless of how infrequent these occurrences are, any occurrence means there is room for improvement.
Ms. DeCourtney might be interested to know that it is not uncommon to hear from dog owners who encounter people who become verbally abusive of the guardian at the mere approach of a dog on the trail. FIDOS -- Friends Interested in Dogs and Open Space tells people that it is good practice --even on trails where dogs are permitted off-leash to watch the body language of approaching people and leash their dog temporarily if the approaching person seems uncomfortable.
As for Ms. DeCourtney's request for no-dog opportunities on trails, I can offer a few suggestions: South Boulder Creek Trail, McClintock, Sombrero Marsh, White Rocks, Long Canyon and Greenman. Many of the new trails that have been approved in the Eldorado Springs/Dowdy Draw area have also been designated no-dog. There are also several leash only trails throughout the system.
LORI FULLER
Vice President of Friends Interested in Dogs and Open Space, Boulder
KVOD radio
Intentions of move are spotty
Thank you for reporting about the end of KVOD FM radio reception in Boulder County.
The problem is not a change in frequency, but that the new transmitter has less power than a toaster oven, the same power an amateur radio operator is allowed to use.
KVOD's signal was "spotty" in Boulder before the change due to multipath interference off the Flatirons. Driving down Broadway it faded in and out. It's not spotty now. Now it is unusable or non-existent anywhere in Boulder and the county, from what I find.
The "alternatives" to reception on FM radio are either non-functional or very expensive. Do not buy an HD radio, as KVOD suggests, until you have tried one where you plan to use it.
My guess is that CPR is kingdom-building in news radio -- why else go head-to-head with KGNU and Fort Collins news radio on adjacent frequencies? This is a deliberate first step to dropping classical music completely. First switch to an inaudible signal, then tell the FCC that "nobody's listening, so can we please shut down?"
Odd that the station which calls itself "Colorado's classical music" cannot be heard at the University of Colorado music school.
STUART WIER
Boulder
Democratic convention
Youth provide a new vision
What has happened to Bob Greenlee? Bob just wrote a column (Camera, July 20) that first trashed youth who have the audacity to demand of adults of Bob's and my generation -- we who helped to elect the architects of domestic and international policies which, in most minds, have proved to be disasters -- to stand aside. He followed this with a rather petty slam at Obama, referring to him as the "Democrat's Rock Star," falsely implying that he was imposing his will on an unwilling Denver community by moving his acceptance speech to Invesco Field.
What happened to Bob to make him forget that it was a similar demand for change that was behind the anti-Vietnam /Cambodia war demonstrations that he and I and Boulder not only survived, but which helped to propel an unwilling administration in Washington to get us out of that war. Lighten up, Bob. Enjoy the ride. Let's let those who see without the vision challenges from nostalgia distortion drive for a while.
TOM PARSONS
Broomfield
Mowing the lawn
Gas mowers create noise/air pollution
Having lived in Boulder for over 20 years, I have seen the city grow immensely and become more and more congested. The newest and most important hot button is global warming, dirty air and noise pollution.
I would encourage our City Council members to take a long, hard look at banning gas lawnmowers within the city. These are incredibly dirty polluters of our air and the noise is overwhelming.
If you have a lawn you could use a push mower, the one some of us used growing up. Or an electric mower that does have a carbon footprint but is non-polluting and is very quiet.
Our household does not own a lawnmower because we have not had grass for 20 years. For those households that do have grass, buy a push mower, and burn some fat instead of burning gas.
ROB GORDON
Boulder
Cuba
Health care lacking minimum standards
I have a few comments regarding Clay Evans' Sunday, July 20, editorial "Is Cuba the worst nation on earth?"
The group of physicians cited by Mr. Evans as visiting Cuba and returning with reports of "health care, education and the arts," that "actually surpassed the United States in many ways," remind me of Lenin's "useful idiots."
According to TheRealCuba.com the excellent health care so often cited as free to Cuban citizens is in fact reserved for wealthy foreigners and Communist Party officials. The average Cuban must go to other hospitals that "lack the most minimum requirements needed for patient care" (something Michael Moore failed to mention in his mockumentary "Sicko"). For insight into life in Cuba , visit TheRealCuba.com. This site will help shed light as to why so many Cuban's risk their lives escaping Fidel's island paradise to our shores.
SCOTT SCHMIDT
Boulder
Posted by david on July 21, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
>> Or an electric mower that does have a carbon footprint but is non-polluting and is very quiet.
I hate to break it to you but an electric mower does have a carbon footprint and pollutes. It's just that the pollution is at the Xcel coal plant out on Valmont.
Posted by Real_tor on July 22, 2008 at 6:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tom Parsons,
Nothing has happened to Bob Greenlee. He's the same bitter dinosaur he's always been.
Greenlee was on the Boulder City Council when the city enacted Colorado's first ordinance to prohibit smoking in bars and restaurants. He voted against the ordinance because he thought it would reduce profits. Fortunately, the other city council members were more concerned about our health.
Posted by trappist99 on July 22, 2008 at 7:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dogs....
I've become convinced that the dog complaints we hear of in the DC and the town meetings are driven more by a wish to get people off the Open Space and leave it for the animals and biologists than by the dog problems per se. Dogs are an excuse.
The attempt to route the new path thru Dry Creek along a dangerous road rather than safely across the fields reinforces my suspicions.
Posted by Canyonrunner on July 22, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My wife and I do not hike on any Boulder trails because of the dog problem (to which many of you will probably applaud, but so what) The last incident was when we were on a shelf trail and we met an unleashed dog. We always keep our dog on a short leash when meeting others on the trail. The unleashed dog was so insistant on getting to our dog that it almost pushed my wife over the edge which was about a 40 foot drop. I had to grab her to keep her from falling. There was no apology or anything from the dog's owner. Just the usual Boulder rudness. You all can have the Boulder trails. We'll go higher where its cooler and fewer people even if it does take more gas.
Posted by Billprez on July 22, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rob -
As you are so enamoured with push mowers, perhaps you would like to come over and mow my yard.
Why is it that you Marxist libs want to control every aspect of my life?
Just go away and leave me alone!!
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"banning gas lawnmowers within the city. These are incredibly dirty polluters of our air and the noise is overwhelming.
If you have a lawn you could use a push mower, the one some of us used growing up. Or an electric mower that does have a carbon footprint but is non-polluting and is very quiet."
A ban! Good idea. Thank you for protecting us all from ourselves. What else should we ban? I'll have to sell my acre of land, but that's okay if it will make you feel better.
Posted by mcbuffs on July 22, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have owned a cordless, electric lawnmower now for about 15 years and have recently bought a cordless, electric trimmer. I am on my second cordless mower and have found both to be perfect for me as I have a relatively small yard, which is probably about average size within Boulder city limits - it takes about 25 to 30 minutes to mow.
I would never go back to gas because of the many advantages - no maintenance (other than blade sharpening once a year), low cost (only pennies to charge the battery), easy operation (on/off with a push of the button), lightweight & easy to push, quiet (I can mow anytime of the day without worrying about bothering the neighbors), and no air pollution (other than the minimal, almost indiscernible amount of electricity to charge the battery).
I currently have a Neuton mower. (My first one was a Ryobi.) A friend has a Black & Decker that he likes. I think there are others that are just as good. I have never had a problem with the batteries. I replaced my Ryobi only because the frame started to fall apart after about 11 or 12 years. The Neuton I have now appears to be a bit more well built and should last the rest of my years as a home owner - about 10 more years before I move to a condo type residence or retirement community.
I recommend everyone consider this type of mower, unless you have a very large yard that takes more than an hour to mow. These cordless mowers are perfect for most urban size lawns.
Even though I am a liberal leaning person, I don't think gas mowers should be banned. I believe we already have too much government interference - telling us who we can marry, what we can do with our own bodies, and many other personal decisions we make. I believe we all should accept personal responsibility for these "lifestyle" matters, including what kind of lawnmower we want and what we want to do regarding global warming and pollution.
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I recommend everyone consider this type of mower"
I don't care what you recommend, but thanks for the product review.
Posted by Spudnik on July 22, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Oh, Daddy! That dog looked at me! Can't you do something?"
"Don't worry, sweetie, I'll call the Denver Water Board and see if we can toss it off of Jump Rock."
Can't we go back to cyclists? I wasn't quite through with them.
Posted by phoenix_rises on July 22, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry Lori but you are wrong! Of course, you are paid to be wrong. too "friendly" dogs and rude dog owners are the norm, not the exception. As a dog owner said to me last weekend when I asked her to call her dog to keep it from jumping on us, "that's what you get when you hike around here." See, even she agrees that dogs jumping on others is the norm, not the exception.
Posted by jadam12 on July 22, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Even though I am a liberal leaning person, I don't think gas mowers should be banned. I believe we already have too much government interference - telling us who we can marry, what we can do with our own bodies, and many other personal decisions we make. I believe we all should accept personal responsibility for these "lifestyle" matters, including what kind of lawnmower we want and what we want to do regarding global warming and pollution."
Ye verily McBuffs! Yes, it is quite probable that an electric mower is good; it's quiet and probably more energy efficient. Though I wonder who is really effected by the sound of a lawn mower for maybe an hour out of the day. Some people really need to learn how to unwind and not be so uptight.
However, a ban on gas mowers would cause a lot of people to have to go out and buy a new mower. Add a $1 per gallon of gas tax and what ever expenses related to upcoming bans and green taxes and the whole thing could begin turning people away from conservation and environmental protection.
A much better approach would be for environmental groups to pay for advertisements and education showing people what they can do to be more efficient, which seems conspicuously lacking. (I guess they are spending all their money on buying land and passing regulations.) So when the gas mower finally dies or it's time for a new car, the public has the knowledge to buy something better without crunching the wallets of lower to middle income wage earners.
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lawn mowers? Are you people kidding? How long have neighborhoods been full of the sound of mowers in the summer? 50 years? You people need something real to worry about....like relocating prarie dogs, pink poodles or something else important.
Posted by mcbuffs on July 22, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 10 am:
"Lawn mowers? Are you people kidding? How long have neighborhoods been full of the sound of mowers in the summer? 50 years? You people need something real to worry about...."
I agree, IXLR82. We should all try to be more willing to get along with each other and let other people alone when they do something that does not directly affect us or may annoy us a little bit. We should not complain about when or how people choose to mow their lawns, about what drugs they choose to use, about whom they choose to marry, about when they choose euthanasia for themselves or their loved ones, about whether or not people choose abortion or any other personal family matter that does not affect you or your family.
Posted by JakPott on July 22, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rob Gordon - Ban everything that you dont have or use...perfectly selfish mentality.
Why not ban increasing density - the real culprit ?
Posted by wgstrand on July 22, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We got rid of our gas mower 3 years ago and replaced it with a push mower. Haven't had any problems since. Yes, we do all our own grass mowing.
Posted by MikeEllis on July 22, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
David, you misread the mower letter. The writer admitted that electric mowers have a carbon footprint.
The pollution from a gas mower is higher than that from the equivalent electricity production, because central high-volume power production allows much better pollution controls.
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"The pollution from a gas mower is higher than that from the equivalent electricity production"
WHO CARES!!??
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"But a lot of homeowners will never know this because they never cut their own lawn. They're working out at the health club."
The world needs ditch diggers, too....
Posted by Dunkterfunk on July 22, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ban gas lawnmowers. Give me a break. Liberals always want to ban anything that bgets in the way of their fragile tranquility, but get all up in arms when Bush tries to ban abortions or gay marriage. Since gas lawnmowers are such an annoyance to your fragile traquility, let ban motorcycles as well. Hey, those kids playing outside are making a bit of noise too. Lets ban children playing outside. Lets, just create a rule wehere everyone has to stay inside when you are not at work with your TV on at a low volume.
If we try hard enough, i am sure we can legislate and outlaw all inconvenience and annoyances out of our lives.
Neo-liberals give us democrats a bad name.
Posted by MikeEllis on July 22, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"WHO CARES!!??"
The list is too long to include here. The Camera has a length limit on posts.
Posted by MikeEllis on July 22, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, but it is our backwater, so we're not embarrassed.
Posted by albanal on July 22, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Latest on the Withdrawal Sweepstakes. McCain's last offer was two years, now he's hinting it might be less than 16 months:
UPDATE: Might McCain pull out of Iraq faster than Obama?
A surrogate for John McCain made a leftward feint on a campaign conference call today, suggesting that the presumptive Republican nominee might pull troops out of Iraq sooner than Barack Obama.
"He’d like troops to come home earlier than 16 months if the conditions allow it," Rep. Heather Wilson, (R-New Mexico), said of McCain.
GO WITH THE RINO IN '08 !!
http://tinyurl.com/6qz68a
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on July 22, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"You people are such whiners. Now off to my 60hp lawnmower."
Another macho suburbanite.
Posted by positraction on July 22, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Hey, those kids playing outside are making a bit of noise too. Lets ban children playing outside."
Kids don't "play outside" anymore, they play video games indoors or attend adult-operated boot camps featuring either soccer or musical instruments.
Really, how 20th century!
Posted by Dunkterfunk on July 22, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"One (1) guy wrote a letter to the Camera, and the wingnuts go into histrionic fantods and fainting spells."
I'm sorry Hatmonger, did you just move here? This One (1) letter is simply representative of a large portion of my fellow Boulderites who are grown up spoiled children who get bent out of shape over the most minor inconvenience in their daily lives. We live in one of the most gorgeous parts of the countr
Posted by IXLR82 on July 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Posted by MikeEllis on July 22, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"WHO CARES!!??"
The list is too long to include here. The Camera has a length limit on posts."
Couldn't you do better than that? I know you are still a rookie, but you need to bump up the material or you're getting cut....
Posted by billy_goat_gruff on July 22, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Many of us, who live within your holy city limits, think your a moron."
Whose a moron? Not so macho, after all. I still love the image of you in your golf shirt and Dockers® riding your 60 hp mower.
Whiner.
Posted by MikeEllis on July 22, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"you need to bump up the material or you're getting cut...."
Well, I haven't gotten cut yet, but if I'm not mistaken you've already had that honor at least once from the Camera editorial staff.
Posted by jim_anchower on July 22, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The mower Marxist mowers the merrier! LOL!
Don't have a cow, Dudes!
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I'm not flaven, dummy."
Yes, but I am, dummy. If you haven't figured it out yet, there is no mondo and never has been (go ahead: find just one post).
BTW, is this McCain or shrub (hint: he has an MBA):
'"There's no question about it," Bush said. "Wall Street got drunk, that's one of the reasons I asked you to turn off the TV cameras. It got drunk and now it's got a hangover. The question is how long will it sober up and not try to do all these fancy financial instruments."'
...I left another clue in the quote.
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dudess: "Fine, if you insist, your flaven too..."
This flaven is your flaven, this flaven is my flaven
From California to the New York Haven
From the Rightwing Forest to the Gulf War waters
This flaven was made for you and me.
-- with really, really sincere apologies to Woody Guthrie
Posted by lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. Flaven Dummy-Bozo:
some here are under the impression that you are some mythical character called "Mondo." ???
Too, I heard a week or so ago that Bozo died, although it is rumored that he trained about 200 Bozo substitutes before he kicked the bucket. ???
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Mr. Dud-abide: boy, you're a cheap date, aren't you?
Posted by lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Flav: You're right! Bush(ed) DID utter the quote you posted above! It's on the nightly news. This just gets better and better <G>, doesn't it. Dud should reconsider who's the BOZO! How proud his mommy is.
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"...before he kicked the bucket. ???"
Yes, but he had already compiled an impressive bucket list. I'm simply helping out with a few items he didn't get to. Are you free tonight? (or, any night? ...rim-shot...<G>)
Posted by cawrigh on July 22, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mcbuffs: "let other people alone when they do something that does not directly affect us or may annoy us a little bit."
Crikey mcbuffs! You sound like one them damn libertarians.
Playboy: "How would you characterize yourself politically?"
Eastwood: "Libertarian... Everyone leaves everyone else alone."
March 1997 Playboy interview of actor and former mayor of Carmel, CA Clint Eastwood
More recently USA Today (January 25, 2004) quoted Eastwood as saying, "I like the libertarian view, which is to leave everyone alone." In the same 2004 USA Today interview Eastwood was asked about same-sex marriage, and Eastwood replied: "From a libertarian point of view, you would say, 'Yeah? So what?' You have to believe in total equality. People should be able to be what they want to be and do what they want -- as long as they're not harming people."
Chuck Wright
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
Posted by lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Flaven: I am not free. Inexpensive, yes, but never free. :-)
Not tonight ... tonight is "America's Got Talent!" It's the only time I ever get to see Jerry Springer anymore. Of course, I could tivo ... nah ...
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VOTE BOBBARR!!
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm from SCOTT's letter shows extremely appalling photos reportedly taken by European journalists of Cuban healthcare conditions that ordinary Cuban citizen are required to endure.
They directly contradict Michael Moore's SICKO "documentary" in the most dramatic fashion imaginable.
I went on a numerous web sites about "Sicko" with nary a whiff of controversy about accuracy even being hinted about it. They even extol it.
A sad commentary on the Hollywood scene. I guess they don't use the internet much over there either.
Posted by lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CAW: "People should be able to be what they want to be and do what they want -- as long as they're not harming people."
well, there's the rub, eh? Who gets to decide who's harming whom? And what constitutes "harm." One man's harm is another man's .... ummm ... joy? birth right?
For instance, the lawnmower guy above, thinks gas powered mowers are 'harm'ful. To him, yeah, to me ... not so much. As a matter of fact, it's essential!
Not really. I DO happen to have a Black and Decker electric mower, but it has a cord thingy, not a battery, since I happen to think lithium batteries are 'harmful.' Thus, when I tripped over the cord and broke my arm when I fell, it proved to be harmful ... albeit only to myself.
BTW, you think 2004 is recent?
VOTE BOBBARR
Posted by albanal on July 22, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe he'll loan you his 60 hp model.
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 6:54 p.m."well, there's the rub, eh? Who gets to decide who's harming whom?"
The same way it's always done. In the courts with a jury.
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"In the courts with a jury."
Or in the streets with libertarian-approved Nerf bats.
Posted by lafayetteeast on July 22, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Or, since CAW quoted Eastwood ......
“ I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? "
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Well, do ya, punk?"
That's, like, a free-market use-no-force metaphor, right?
Posted by cawrigh on July 22, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's not "use-no-force." It's "use-no-initial-force." Using force for self defense is perfectly acceptable to libertarians.
Chuck Wright
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
Posted by trappist99 on July 22, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"but it is our backwater, so we're not embarrassed."
Lets hear it for Mike Ellis!! Most insightful quote of the day! Hats off to you.
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
flaven on July 22, 2008 at 8:26 p.m.
"Well, do ya, punk?"
Clint Eastwood is better than any Code Pink recruitment film.
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As far as free markets go which would you pay money to see?
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Hats off to you."
Monger wants his hat back.
Posted by flaven on July 22, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cawcaw: 'It's "use-no-initial-force." '
LOL! Oh, gosh...sniffle...
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
flaven on July 22, 2008 at 8:17 p.m."Or in the streets with libertarian-approved Nerf bats."
Fine with me.... but aren't Nerf bats made from petroleum and leave a big carbon footprint?
Better go with a .44 Magnum.
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a great name for shoes!
Posted by qmmckenna on July 22, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CARBON FOOTPRINT®
Posted by dvbugbee on July 23, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Stuart Weir's letter about KVOD sadly makes a lot of sense. I'm glad for the warning about HD radio, I won't get one now. I spent many contented hours listening to Classical music on public radio when I was growing up. When I moved to Colorado in 2000, I was so happy to find such an excellent Classical radio station. Public radio has lamentably abandoned Classical music in so many other places. Now that KVOD's signal is so weak, I am listening to it less and less. The spotty reception destroys its value. I will be fine, I have plenty of Classical recordings of my own. But what a loss for our region. Instead of one sane cultural oasis, local radio is now faced with another talk radio (i.e. "all news") station. That just spreads more of a cultural wasteland. Public radio once cared about providing a public service to the public with Classical programming. Sadly, that seems to be the case no longer.
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